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		<title>Comment on Dead Sea Scrolls: &#8220;Distinguished Lecture Series&#8221; at Raleigh Museum by timothyfishbane</title>
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		<description>Thank you for comment. Ms. Shor has an expertise on the conservation of the scrolls, not on their historical or religious interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for comment. Ms. Shor has an expertise on the conservation of the scrolls, not on their historical or religious interpretation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dead Sea Scrolls: &#8220;Distinguished Lecture Series&#8221; at Raleigh Museum by Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand, how do you say Pnina Shor has no expertise on the scrolls? I would have to disagree since I heard her speak and know that she the head conservator of the scrolls and works with them on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand, how do you say Pnina Shor has no expertise on the scrolls? I would have to disagree since I heard her speak and know that she the head conservator of the scrolls and works with them on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by timothyfishbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothyfishbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, thanks for your comment.  

I believe you go to the heart of the matter in speaking of education.  That is the primary role of a museum, is it not?

With respect to Jewish scholars and the scrolls, I believe you may wish to take a look at these articles: 

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/11/12/rom-s-dead-sea-scrolls-2-000-years-old-always-controversial.aspx

They reveal that the defenders of the San Diego and Raleigh exhibits (who happen, for the most part, to be Christian scholars) are arguing that there is only &lt;strong&gt;one&lt;/strong&gt; principal theory of scroll origins, while the New York Jewish Museum has taken the opposing stance that there are &lt;strong&gt;two&lt;/strong&gt; basic theories.  This is because if the Christian scholars acknowledge that there are two theories and not one, they will have lost the interpretive hegemony (or monopoly) they have been exercising over the scrolls for the past 60 years.  

Remember, the Jordanian government originally possessed the scrolls (until 1967), and they appointed a team of &quot;editors&quot; from which Jewish scholars were entirely excluded.  This was the famous Dead Sea Scrolls monopoly group, which collapsed in disgrace following the antisemitic statements of its director John Strugnell, but whose influential surviving members have continued, from behind the scenes, to control the manner in which the scrolls are being presented in most of the museum exhibits.  Behind this entire story there is an academic power struggle going on, with political and financial dealings apparently keeping the status quo in place.

It is astonishing that there has been so little coverage of this museum controversy in the mainstream media (the National Post article is the first I have seen of its kind).  Instead, we have a large amount of personal invective (including paranoid accusations of &quot;sock-puppetry&quot; and the like) being spewed out at critics of the museum exhibits by scholars associated with the traditional theory.  I urge you and anyone else who finds this topic interesting to send out information on it to your acquaintances.

Best, Tim Fishbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, thanks for your comment.  </p>
<p>I believe you go to the heart of the matter in speaking of education.  That is the primary role of a museum, is it not?</p>
<p>With respect to Jewish scholars and the scrolls, I believe you may wish to take a look at these articles: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego" rel="nofollow">http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-christian-agenda-lead-biased-dead-sea-scrolls-exhibit-san-diego</a></p>
<p><a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/11/12/rom-s-dead-sea-scrolls-2-000-years-old-always-controversial.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/11/12/rom-s-dead-sea-scrolls-2-000-years-old-always-controversial.aspx</a></p>
<p>They reveal that the defenders of the San Diego and Raleigh exhibits (who happen, for the most part, to be Christian scholars) are arguing that there is only <strong>one</strong> principal theory of scroll origins, while the New York Jewish Museum has taken the opposing stance that there are <strong>two</strong> basic theories.  This is because if the Christian scholars acknowledge that there are two theories and not one, they will have lost the interpretive hegemony (or monopoly) they have been exercising over the scrolls for the past 60 years.  </p>
<p>Remember, the Jordanian government originally possessed the scrolls (until 1967), and they appointed a team of &#8220;editors&#8221; from which Jewish scholars were entirely excluded.  This was the famous Dead Sea Scrolls monopoly group, which collapsed in disgrace following the antisemitic statements of its director John Strugnell, but whose influential surviving members have continued, from behind the scenes, to control the manner in which the scrolls are being presented in most of the museum exhibits.  Behind this entire story there is an academic power struggle going on, with political and financial dealings apparently keeping the status quo in place.</p>
<p>It is astonishing that there has been so little coverage of this museum controversy in the mainstream media (the National Post article is the first I have seen of its kind).  Instead, we have a large amount of personal invective (including paranoid accusations of &#8220;sock-puppetry&#8221; and the like) being spewed out at critics of the museum exhibits by scholars associated with the traditional theory.  I urge you and anyone else who finds this topic interesting to send out information on it to your acquaintances.</p>
<p>Best, Tim Fishbane</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by Maria Orsini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Orsini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the author of this blog may have good justifications for his concerns. I have to admit that our educational system emphasizes Christianity to a level that other religions are not taught in depth. This is a very huge concern to me as an educator. I do not posses the knowledge to be able to recognize the flaws in historical knowledge that this exhibition exposed. I am glad that I had an opportunity to read your comments. I am not sure if I am going to go to this exhibition, which I agree should have been free. I have a question for you. I read in another blog that some Jewish scholars are not giving reverence to these Scrolls. What is your position about this?
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the author of this blog may have good justifications for his concerns. I have to admit that our educational system emphasizes Christianity to a level that other religions are not taught in depth. This is a very huge concern to me as an educator. I do not posses the knowledge to be able to recognize the flaws in historical knowledge that this exhibition exposed. I am glad that I had an opportunity to read your comments. I am not sure if I am going to go to this exhibition, which I agree should have been free. I have a question for you. I read in another blog that some Jewish scholars are not giving reverence to these Scrolls. What is your position about this?<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by timothyfishbane</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey,
 
Thanks for your input.  I do not have a &quot;personal vendetta against the Scrolls or any organization that tries to bring them to the public.&quot;  The scrolls are precious manuscripts, and the Jewish Museum in New York has announced an exhibit from which the bias we&#039;ve seen in Raleigh will apparently be absent.  It is certainly not unreasonable, however, for critics of the Raleigh exhibit to be &quot;angry&quot; (as you put it) about the exclusion of voices, grotesque scientific incompetence, and slanting of evidence to serve a particular agenda -- call it the hijacking of the scrolls or whatever you like.  Allow me also to point out that the Raleigh exhibit is being held in a &lt;em&gt;natural sciences&lt;/em&gt; museum, while the &quot;introspective and pensive mood&quot; you describe as your reaction is something one would rather associate with a visit to church or some other religious institution.

Best, Tim Fishbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey,</p>
<p>Thanks for your input.  I do not have a &#8220;personal vendetta against the Scrolls or any organization that tries to bring them to the public.&#8221;  The scrolls are precious manuscripts, and the Jewish Museum in New York has announced an exhibit from which the bias we&#8217;ve seen in Raleigh will apparently be absent.  It is certainly not unreasonable, however, for critics of the Raleigh exhibit to be &#8220;angry&#8221; (as you put it) about the exclusion of voices, grotesque scientific incompetence, and slanting of evidence to serve a particular agenda &#8212; call it the hijacking of the scrolls or whatever you like.  Allow me also to point out that the Raleigh exhibit is being held in a <em>natural sciences</em> museum, while the &#8220;introspective and pensive mood&#8221; you describe as your reaction is something one would rather associate with a visit to church or some other religious institution.</p>
<p>Best, Tim Fishbane</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy-It seems like you have some personal vendetta against the Scrolls or any organization that tries to bring them to the public? Why so angry? As far as I&#039;m concerned humans will never be able to get anything 100% correct about the history in the past because everything can be questioned. For instance, what did Socrates actually believe? The man never wrote anything down. How do we know Plato (who was his student and possible scribe) didn&#039;t twist or change anything he said. Same with the Scrolls and the actual story behind them. No one knows all the answers. It doesn&#039;t make sense to criticize and bring to light the mistakes and problems that everyone will make about these Scrolls. Because either way the amazing feet that the Scrolls still exist is now tainted and made negative because of your criticism. Why not be amazed and impressed with the natural preservation from the caves they were found in and the fact that the people surrounding the Scrolls are so protective of them so that maybe in 50 years from now there will still be fragments of them for other people to see. Historical documents and artifacts are rendered pointless because the arguments themselves become more important than the item(s). It would just be nice to hear some positive things said. I have seen the exhibit and I think the overall effect is impressive. The work behind building the special room they are in is special and leaves you with a very introspective and pensive mood. If a 2000 year old document can do that for me why not encourage others to have a similar experience. I think we all need something that penetrates to the core of ourselves rather than bash the exhibit on a blog. I do however commend you for getting your opinion and views out there. I applaud your research and dedication to bringing to light the criticisms so that I may also be able to share my opinion. It&#039;s quite the cyclical process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy-It seems like you have some personal vendetta against the Scrolls or any organization that tries to bring them to the public? Why so angry? As far as I&#8217;m concerned humans will never be able to get anything 100% correct about the history in the past because everything can be questioned. For instance, what did Socrates actually believe? The man never wrote anything down. How do we know Plato (who was his student and possible scribe) didn&#8217;t twist or change anything he said. Same with the Scrolls and the actual story behind them. No one knows all the answers. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to criticize and bring to light the mistakes and problems that everyone will make about these Scrolls. Because either way the amazing feet that the Scrolls still exist is now tainted and made negative because of your criticism. Why not be amazed and impressed with the natural preservation from the caves they were found in and the fact that the people surrounding the Scrolls are so protective of them so that maybe in 50 years from now there will still be fragments of them for other people to see. Historical documents and artifacts are rendered pointless because the arguments themselves become more important than the item(s). It would just be nice to hear some positive things said. I have seen the exhibit and I think the overall effect is impressive. The work behind building the special room they are in is special and leaves you with a very introspective and pensive mood. If a 2000 year old document can do that for me why not encourage others to have a similar experience. I think we all need something that penetrates to the core of ourselves rather than bash the exhibit on a blog. I do however commend you for getting your opinion and views out there. I applaud your research and dedication to bringing to light the criticisms so that I may also be able to share my opinion. It&#8217;s quite the cyclical process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by Alex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is interesting! 
 
Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is interesting! </p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by timothyfishbane</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Thanks for your comment.  

From what I hear, there are quite a few such errors in the exhibit.  Might one not have expected a better performance from the self-anointed &quot;Dead Sea Scrolls scholar&quot; who served as the museum&#039;s &quot;scientific consultant&quot;? Golb&#039;s &quot;Fact and Fiction&quot; article (p. 4) mentions a wall text in the Kansas City version of exhibit (perhaps corrected in the San Diego and Raleigh versions?) asserting 

&lt;blockquote&gt;that “&lt;strong&gt;Jerusalem and the Second Temple were destroyed by Titus, and the people were again sent into exile, marking the end of the Second Temple period&lt;/strong&gt;.”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

And Golb comments:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is impossible to understand how the curators could allow such a misleading statement to appear in the exhibitions. While Jews taken captive during the war were indeed enslaved and sent to Rome, the great majority of the Jewish population of both Galilee and Judaea remained in Palestine and after a brief period were once again allowed their internal autonomy. The process of rebuilding both their commerce and culture has been detailed by many historians who invariably describe the role of the several generations of early rabbinic figures (Tannaim) in establishing academies of learning and stabilizing the study of Jewish law in Palestine during this period. 

However, instead of describing this remarkable sociocultural phenomenon of the first three centuries of the Common Era, the curators appear to nullify it. A graphic time-line is presented in the exhibit that makes no mention of Palestinian Judaism’s survival and reconstruction, but instead leaves blank this entire part of the history of the Palestinian Jews, including even the Bar Kokhba revolt and the establishment of the Palestinian Patriarchate, and offering only the casual statement (3rd century CE timeline box) that “Rabbi Judah the Prince edits the Mishnah.” How many viewers of these exhibitions can derive even the barest understanding of the Palestinian Jewish history of this period from such a sorry presentation — particularly when it is accompanied by an accurately presented time-line of general historical events during the same period?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So the &quot;Herod-was-a-Jew&quot; error you point out certainly does seem to fit in with a general pattern of amateurism and neglect.  Perhaps the North Carolina Department of the Environment can be prevailed upon to consult with its &quot;scientific consultant&quot; and correct such errors as they are pointed out by members of the public who happen to spot them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  </p>
<p>From what I hear, there are quite a few such errors in the exhibit.  Might one not have expected a better performance from the self-anointed &#8220;Dead Sea Scrolls scholar&#8221; who served as the museum&#8217;s &#8220;scientific consultant&#8221;? Golb&#8217;s &#8220;Fact and Fiction&#8221; article (p. 4) mentions a wall text in the Kansas City version of exhibit (perhaps corrected in the San Diego and Raleigh versions?) asserting </p>
<blockquote><p>that “<strong>Jerusalem and the Second Temple were destroyed by Titus, and the people were again sent into exile, marking the end of the Second Temple period</strong>.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And Golb comments:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is impossible to understand how the curators could allow such a misleading statement to appear in the exhibitions. While Jews taken captive during the war were indeed enslaved and sent to Rome, the great majority of the Jewish population of both Galilee and Judaea remained in Palestine and after a brief period were once again allowed their internal autonomy. The process of rebuilding both their commerce and culture has been detailed by many historians who invariably describe the role of the several generations of early rabbinic figures (Tannaim) in establishing academies of learning and stabilizing the study of Jewish law in Palestine during this period. </p>
<p>However, instead of describing this remarkable sociocultural phenomenon of the first three centuries of the Common Era, the curators appear to nullify it. A graphic time-line is presented in the exhibit that makes no mention of Palestinian Judaism’s survival and reconstruction, but instead leaves blank this entire part of the history of the Palestinian Jews, including even the Bar Kokhba revolt and the establishment of the Palestinian Patriarchate, and offering only the casual statement (3rd century CE timeline box) that “Rabbi Judah the Prince edits the Mishnah.” How many viewers of these exhibitions can derive even the barest understanding of the Palestinian Jewish history of this period from such a sorry presentation — particularly when it is accompanied by an accurately presented time-line of general historical events during the same period?</p></blockquote>
<p>So the &#8220;Herod-was-a-Jew&#8221; error you point out certainly does seem to fit in with a general pattern of amateurism and neglect.  Perhaps the North Carolina Department of the Environment can be prevailed upon to consult with its &#8220;scientific consultant&#8221; and correct such errors as they are pointed out by members of the public who happen to spot them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw the exhibit today- I went to see the artifacts, not the interpretation of them.  I did notice that the display of coins erroneosly stated that Herod the Great was a jew appointed to govern Judea.  All of the textbooks I have ever read teach that he was Iduamean, and Edomite, not a Jew.  This is freshman Bible college stuff that they got wrong.  Still, the real stars are the manuscripts themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the exhibit today- I went to see the artifacts, not the interpretation of them.  I did notice that the display of coins erroneosly stated that Herod the Great was a jew appointed to govern Judea.  All of the textbooks I have ever read teach that he was Iduamean, and Edomite, not a Jew.  This is freshman Bible college stuff that they got wrong.  Still, the real stars are the manuscripts themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Criticism follows scrolls exhibit to Raleigh by Lorelei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorelei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by my little blog, with my little blurb on the Dead Sea Post-it Notes. :) I enjoyed reading your post -- I had no idea there was so much criticism. I would have been more severe in my bashing had I known. haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by my little blog, with my little blurb on the Dead Sea Post-it Notes. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I enjoyed reading your post &#8212; I had no idea there was so much criticism. I would have been more severe in my bashing had I known. haha</p>
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